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The Depth and Mystery of Scorpio Part I

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Scorpio takes us into some of the deepest and most complex of energies.  These energies often remain a mystery to many because they are traditionally labeled taboo.  Religious admonitions are ingrained in the collective that ‘the knowledge of good and evil’ is forbidden, yet Scorpio must deal with these issues.  Is it any wonder that people born under this sign sense a lack of understanding on the part of others; even at times a fear?

These taboo subjects and realms are all ‘Scorpio-ruled’:  power, sex, money (because money often equals power), and death.  The truth is that they are endless sources of fascination for most of us!  Scorpio, however, must go through a life immersion course in some, if not all of these arenas, and ultimately become changed at the deepest of core levels because of this journey into the forbidden realms.

This sign begins as Autumn is at its peak around October 23rd, and ends around November 22nd as the Sun is swiftly losing its strength in the northern hemisphere and the nights are becoming longer.  Decay is rapidly occurring as leaves fall from the trees, plants wither and die, birds migrate south, temperatures drop dramatically, and the silence and coldness of winder approaches.  In the southern hemisphere we have the opposite effect, thus teaching us about the polarity of this sign of death and re-birth.

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Even in ancient Egypt the zodiacal sign rising during May was Scorpius, which for them heralded the blazing heat of the Sun as it scorched the earth and withered the plants, and brought migrations of scorpions into their midst with their deadly poison.  What we can conclude from each scenario is that Scorpio is a time of extreme change.

This is known as a fixed, water sign.  Cancer was the first, implying an original water source giving forth expression of feelings.  Scorpio represents water that can become solid through freezing, or even stagnant through lack of movement such as murky, swampy water, or perhaps deep water appearing tranquil on the surface yet concealing great turbulence farther down due to earth tremors or even volcanic activity.  These signatures can translate into the personality of a Scorpio as introversion, reserve and depth of strong feelings, or even a certain impenetrable quality difficult for others to perceive and completely understand.

Those born during this time of year with their Sun sign in Scorpio have the directive of first discovering the hidden depths of subconscious feelings and patterns acquired early in life that are often the frozen constellations of ancestral patterns which have long been buried and left to sit somewhere deep in the collective unconscious.  As these feelings and patterns emerge into the psyche of the Scorpio individual they then have the task of separating their conscious self from these ‘complexes’.  This may involve a separation from certain key members of their family of origin, and later experiences involving their intimate partners where they will also have to deal with these issues revolving around the taboo areas of life; money, sex, and power.  This journey, almost always involving both the simultaneous urge to merge, and the equally strong urge to separate, will take them into various life-altering dramas that are intense, confrontational, and ultimately transformative.

What is meant by transformation?  This is a term that we find associated with Scorpio over and over again.  According to Webster’s, ‘trans’ means ‘across’ or ‘through’.  Perhaps Scorpio must journey across one form to another, or through one form to another.  Transform in Webster’s is defined as changing form, appearance, or structure.  There is no particular ethic or moral code implied in this term.  A Scorpio can choose to make whatever change of form, structure, or appearance they so desire.  Yet the symbolism of Scorpio, from an astrological perspective, has come to imply a movement of consciousness that evolves from the most ancient and primal—the Scorpion and the Snake—to the most mystical and spiritual—the mythical ‘Phoenix Bird’.  To understand this we need to go back in time to ancient origins.

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Ancient Stories and Symbols

The common thread running through Babylonian, Sumerian, Egyptian, and Greek tales of Scorpio was always one of connecting the sign with the ‘Underworld’ whereby a personally painful journey forced the hero or heroine to confront the demonic and thus find from that descent into the darkness and depths a return upwards, again, towards the light and resurrection.  Much of this occult wisdom was embodied in a four-fold process involving first anger (the Scorpion and it’s sting), then introspection (the lizard or snake who moves between the inner earth and the outer realm), the rebirth process (the soaring eagle’s flight towards the Sun), and ending in the realm of some kind of Holy Spirit (the white-winged dove and/or the mythical Phoenix bird rising reborn from it’s own self-made funeral pyre).

We see this transformational journey in the Babylonian epic of Gilgamesh when he encountered the Scorpion-men whose stare would strike death into those who looked deeply into their eyes.  They guarded Mashu, the great twin-peaked mountain which, in turn, guarded the rising and setting of the Sun.  In order for him to ‘pass through’ he had to first journey deep into the darkness for 12 leagues (a period of astronomical time).  His feelings of oppression were enormous as were the feelings of being abandoned.  Yet Gilgamesh, who symbolizes the individual’s Solar/heroic journey, kept his strength, courage, and survived his tribulations emerging after 11 leagues to see the light of dawn, and after the 12th league finally found himself in the garden of the gods.  The inner meaning of this tale implies a soul’s need to face the journey of descent into the unconscious with courage and strength in order to appreciate more fully the light of consciousness once their perils are over.  Reflecting through hindsight brings the realization that the difficulties one passes through are often what are needed to grow and mature.

Three other rich archetypal myths involve this descent into the ‘underworld’, but unlike the lone journey of Gilgamesh they involve a partner with whom the journeyer is closely paired.  In one story Ishtar journeys deep into the bowels of the underworld to find her love Tammuz, in another Kore/Persephone is abducted into the underworld by Hades/Pluto, and in the third Orpheus descends into the underworld to reclaim his beloved bride, Eurydice.

All of these mythic stories repeat common themes about Scorpio involving the paradox of the desire to merge, and the necessity to separate so that the individual is forced to master their inner emotional life.  The initial bond with one of the parents may have kept them under that parent’s deliberate control.  Later, through partnership they must struggle not to repeat that pattern and learn the lesson of gaining personal control in the face of deep emotional bonding.

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The young and lovely Persephone (Kore) was snatched from her dream-like existence with her mother, Demeter by Pluto (Hades) and taken to his deep, mysterious world.  This was a world of raw and primal sexuality, as well as a new kind of bonding with her masculine counterpart.  In truth she gained the power of becoming a queen in this kingdom, while in that other realm of innocence her mother raged with grief at the loss of her child.  That she felt torn between the two realms says much about the turbulent energies that Scorpios must experience in their transformational cycles.  In the story she could have returned to her mother Demeter’s world had she kept herself untainted by desire.  But she just couldn’t resist the taste of the forbidden red, juicy fruit of the Pomegranate (shades of Eve and the Apple) and thus her fate was sealed. She could return for six months out of the year to the surface world of her mother Demeter, but the other six months were to be spent with Pluto.  Interestingly, we really don’t know from the myth how Persephone felt about this arrangement, but we get hints that perhaps she enjoyed her growing power as Hades’ queen when we go to the next story of Orpheus.

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In this tale the mesmerizing and talented Orpheus falls deeply in love with Eurydice, and they become bonded through marriage.  In one version she is bitten by poisonous snakes and is taken from his side into the underworld.  His passion, bordering on obsession, compels him to pursue her into that other realm to plead for her return.  He meets and charms both Persephone and Pluto, and now we see Persephone as a mature woman equal to her mate.  But Orpheus, like those struck by the lightening of early adult love, cannot fathom a life without his beloved.  His pleadings are acknowledged and he is allowed to escort Eurydice up and out.  Sadly, he does not trust enough to believe that she is right behind him as they are both about to emerge from the underworld.  He has been warned that he cannot look back, but he does, so back into the Plutonian world she goes.

These mighty operatic dramas often fill the lives of those born with Scorpion planets highly stressed, for transformation involving such turbulent energies is part of the separation and regenerative processes whereby they evolve.  Scorpio just doesn’t do things half-way; it’s all or nothing, and the swings between these two polarities are both extreme and intense.

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The Constellation of Scorpio

To the ancients this was one of the largest constellations with the curved tail of the scorpion, poised to sting, containing 62 visible stars including the brightest, Antares, meaning ‘like Mars’ or ‘rival of Mars’ according to the Greeks.

Antares is truly a giant star, 400 light years from our own Sun, and several hundred times its size.  Its volume is a billion times that of our Sun, yet a small companion, Antares B, just visible with a small telescope, is 100 times smaller, and is green in color.  This is part of the mystery, again, of this sign. Antares, one of the four royal stars marking the equinoxes and solstices, is considered the heart of the scorpion, and the Greeks believed its character to be a combination of the planets Mars and Jupiter; warlike, impulsive, and potentially dangerous.  They felt that anyone born with this star prominent in their birth map would achieve great honor through violence, yet if the star was combined with the Moon, they would find favor in business and domestic matters, and also show an interest in philosophy.

The ancient astronomer/astrologers felt most of the stars of Scorpio to be ominous in energies.  Today we know that this part of space contains the strongest X-ray source in the celestial sky, including Scorius X-1, a binary star.  These x-rays are caused by an acceleration of gas moving to speeds of light and streaming into intense gravitational and magnetic fields.

Interestingly, the boundaries of Scorpio were redrawn in 1928, just before the discovery of Pluto, Scorpio’s more modern ruler, so that today the Sun spends only 9 brief days each year passing through the stars of this constellation, while spending the remaining two-thirds of the month in the constellation of Ophiucus.  And, of course, now astronomers (well, a few!) have demoted Pluto from planetary status to some sub-group. Does this mean that our planetary consciousness no longer has struggles with money, sex, power, and death?  Hmmm…. Or is this called major denial by the plutocracy?

The Constellation of Ophiucus

This constellation actually sits above Scorpio slightly and today, because of the precession of the equinoxes, the Sun actually spends a great deal of time passing through it.  The ancients named it thus because to them it was an image of Asclepius, the healer and honor student of Chiron, wrestling with a giant serpent.  Symbolized here is a process.  In order to get from Scorpio to Sagittarius one must wrestle with this serpent power, and gain greater knowledge and control of the secrets of life and death which this serpent holds.

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Serpent Wisdom is a very specific kind of knowing.  This wisdom can only be gained through the realm of feelings (water), and is not really accessible to the left brain of logic.  It is feminine wisdom, the chthonic, mysterious, dark, underworld side of the feminine that holds the keys to life, death, sex, and transformation whereby the active Shakti energy of the Devine Mother is released at the base of the spine, and travels upwards towards the crown chakra.  This vital, animating force is within every human being, but is not awakened necessarily by sexual activity alone unless the practice is one of sustained discipline through such methods as tantra.  It requires strong intention and introspective types of meditation, trance states, shamanic practices, or the sacred use of certain psychotropic plants, mushrooms, or sometimes even snake venom to chemically alter and spark the pineal gland into opening like the lotus flower into full-blown levels of awareness beyond the experience of duality, where the field of consciousness is both creative and unified.  This is truly the birth-right of every human being.  Why have we allowed it to be shut down by those ‘authorities’ who would prevent us from knowing the ultimate freedom?

Scorpios have a penchant for being able to access these trance-like states of consciousness.  Sometimes they are born gifted with the natural awareness, but lose it through the hypnogogic down-loading of ‘civilized’ conditioning.  Cassandra, the gifted prophetic visionary, was said to have been left as a child with snakes who were fond of licking her ears.  Some children have a natural love of snakes until conditioned fear cuts them off from ther chthonic source of wisdom.  Snake goddesses were common and prevalent in many older cultures such as Crete during the Taurean Age.  Serpents have come to represent the secrets of life, death, and rebirth.  The gifts of prophecy used to be linked to Serpent Wisdom as in the Oracle of Delphi.  Patriarchal religions managed to destroy this wisdom by propagating the belief that the snake was loathsome and evil.

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Strangely, howver, the snake endures in spite of such overlays.  Take a look at the Caduceus again and you’ll see that modern AMA-type medicine continues to work with this powerful symbol even if they simultaneously prefer laboratory produced pharmaceuticals, radiation, and ‘chemical war-fare’ in their treatment of disease.  Mechanized views of reality divorce us from the primeval realm of nature, and now our bodies are treated more like bio-chemical ‘machines’ devoid of the life-force animating power of the Kundalini.  Some of this lopsidedness is now changing thanks to the merging of East-West philosophies, and quantum physics.  Bio-energetic medicine does work with this serpent life-force.

We see in all of this the movement of trans-formation at work. Scorpio is where we move between the realms in powerful and life-altering ways.  The occult wisdom of Scorpio teaches us that we must descend time and time again into the primal realms as a path to mastery before we can become fully conscious.

This ends Part I of our Scorpio journey.  In Part II I will look at Scorpio’s glyph, the qualities and characteristics of Scorpio people, the parts of the body ruled by Scorpio, the Shadow, Scorpio in relationship, and finally some famous Scorpio people.

November 4, 2009  58 Comments
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58 comments

1 Donna { 11.05.09 at 5:33 pm }

WOW!! I am Virgo with Scorpio ascendant and you have just described what I have just gone through the past 10 years. I am anxious for part II as I am speechless right now!!

2 Michelle Piller { 11.06.09 at 6:24 am }

Beautiful insights. Thank you.

3 Renee { 11.06.09 at 10:03 pm }

Thank you – thank you – thank you – thank you – thank you – thank you – Thank You/Ha! :- )) Many blessings to you
Genevieve (my dearest of cherished friends), for this long awaited Scorpio Blog! As you know, I’ve patiently awaited,
One Year for this “your Scorpio blog” (unfortunately had been overlooked in 2008)… and this blog, is a truly awesome –
Birthday Gift (November 4).

As you know, I rarely blog (1st time, was shortly after the inception of…. your bluelightlady site). But, wanted to blog
this 2nd time, in that.. I Am a true Scorpio…. Sun, Mars (9th home), with Neptune conjoin my Sun (8th). (Balanced and/or
grounded with Libra Moon and Pisces ASC – thankfully so/ha)!

You have very beautifully intertwined many colorful topics on Scorpio’s and look forward to Part Two (relationships, etc).
Transformation (in all our many forms), continues to be a key element in my life. Really loved your writings of Ancient Stories and Symbols and The Constellation of Scorpio and there is much
to digest (read over and over again) for me!

Look forward to my birthday reading, with you… in couple of
weeks (and will naturally be in touch before, for now, might as
well briefly(Ha)! blog on “my birthday”. Had wonderful birthday
(November 4) with Mom, Brother and friends. On November 5,
enjoyed 4 ½ hrs at a lovely Spa (Massage, Seaweed Bath (finally)
and Sauna). Still in relax mode, this Friday; enjoyed some quiet
time/space (to go, within… to separate for a bit (as true Scorpio –definitely love to merge but also need separate (some space to
ground myself spiritually), as I feel everyone’s energies around
me so deeply (empathic) and as naturally heal others, must
always heal myself first (key for me, especially this 48th bday year). Will stay on spiritual path with everyone (and will not waiver manifesting spiritual man/partner) staying true to myself
being all that I Am as…. A Soaring Phoenix (Scorpio)!!

One more tidbit, aside from writing this blog in your Scorpio blog/ha… in process of writing… a Thank You Email to Family and Friends for many wonderful Birthday Wishes (from around
the world.. England, Canada, Seattle, NY, LA, Las Vegas and…
Mexican Cruise)… Received approximately 32 wishes by way
of emails, egreetings (thank you Genevieve), texts, calls, in
person greetings and outings). I am very grateful and so more
later, in email/ha!

Thank you! Blessings to you, dear Genevieve… Love, Renee

4 Genevieve { 11.07.09 at 12:03 pm }

Happy Birthday Renee! Thanks for being a Scorpio who feels confidant enough to actually REVEAL yourself to others. I happen to know you’ve done a great deal of inner work on yourself, and it shows.

5 Larry { 11.08.09 at 11:59 am }

“Patriarchal religions managed to destroy this wisdom by propagating the belief that the snake was loathsome and evil.” – Not true……. in Christianity in Genesis Lucifer in the form of a snake used his wisdom against God, before Lucifer was thrown out of heaven. The snake in itself was not loathsome and evil Good and evil and their various portrayals as wisdom have not been destroyed?!

6 Genevieve { 11.08.09 at 12:42 pm }

Thank you, Larry, for your comments. I’m all for dialogue around these symbols. I look at it this way, the snake was supposedly inhabited by Satan according to Biblical accounts. Old Testament was primarily a Judaic writing. Christianity came much later through New Testament writings. This snake was then cursed. See Genesis 3:15 “…And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel…” So the snake/satan was forever cursed as a master of deception, and thus formed the war in heaven, the continual—to this day—conflict between God and HIS people and Satan. Heaven and hell can never be reconciled and there is perpetual and continual struggle between the wicked and the good. These thoughts come direct from John Wesley’s interpretation or any other male, patriarchal authority touting the Bible as ultimate authority. I would humbly submit that snake religious existed long before monotheism. The snake is symbolic of something deeper and more chthonic which is beyond dualism and more akin to natural cyclical ways of viewing life. The entire Genesis tale of Eve and the Snake denigrates female wisdom and her association with serpent wisdom as far as I’m concerned. Lilith, the first wife of Adam, was not so naive, and of course she’s been entirely erased from all Biblical records. Getting into the polarity of good and evil keeps us all stuck in duality which perpetuates the atrocities still continuing on this planet in the name of God, God’s people and those supposedly of ‘the devil’.

7 katie { 11.08.09 at 5:47 pm }

Thank you for this insight into the experience of the Scorpio drama. I was recently thinking to myself that I have been through many of these experiences over the last 20 years! and how I feel conscious for the first time in a long time. Maybe I am making some real transformation or maybe transformation has happened along the way on some level for me. Looking back I can see how I played right in to the going down into the underworld several times (always wondered why I kept getting sucked into it). I almost can laugh at it now and let some of the pain go. Looking forward to the Scorpio II.

8 katie { 11.08.09 at 5:53 pm }

Also, I have Antares conjunct my natal moon.

9 Genevieve { 11.09.09 at 10:12 am }

I love to hear personal stories. They help me to learn and grow. Yes, real transformation is often hard won through great personal sacrifice and effort. Thanks for your sharing, Katie. I’m wondering if you’ve felt Antares was helpful? According to the ‘ancients’ it would have been, but I’m sure you’ve had your own unique experience with this signature.

10 katie { 11.10.09 at 7:34 am }

After reading this article I checked to see if Antares was conjunct my moon and it was! I’ve had my own business in several different fields, mostly sales related, and I think it helped me to have my own schedule and raise my kids, etc. Now I’m looking to expand on my business opportunities. Thanks.

11 krista { 11.20.09 at 10:33 am }

Amazing. I feel my existance is always questioned by others. My motives and being are never understood by those who do not have the ability to see that dark abyss looming underneath them.

I felt while reading this, I was looking into my soul, my mind and being. It almost brought me to tears. Misunderstood as cold and calculating, but we are one of the most sensitive signs there are and no one is willing to stick around long enough to find that out.
Great article! A+

12 krista { 11.20.09 at 10:43 am }

Also, I sometimes truly do believe I am the product of some evil… people born under our sign are capable of many unspeakable things.
I even read that one astrologer said an upset, irate Scorpio was likened to the Holocaust and that if we could be any point in history, that is where we would find ourselves.

I feel like I’m not even able to form words to describe my feelings. Like they are so deep, I cannot dig far enough to find them and bring them up to that level of understanding. It’s such a complex mindset. The tugging of good and 2 evils: myself vs society and myself.

I am always told I am just looking to rebel against norms, but my existence knows only what I feel and most of the time how I feel is right, which leads me to being called judgmental by so many people.
My feelings are so intense it’s not even funny. I can speak to someone for 1 minute and read every single thing they do. It’s almost like I file in the back of my mind their name, how they talk, their actions their facial expressions and then process the information with my intuition.
I feel like a lot of other signs are not capable of dealing with someone who has such self assurance in our motives and actions as we do.

Longest comment of my life.
ahhh

13 Genevieve { 11.20.09 at 12:07 pm }

Krista,

What you have been willing to reveal is going to help so many other Scorpionic people. Thank you from the bottom of my heart for sharing.

14 anon { 12.17.09 at 5:19 pm }

Dear Krista,

I have a pisces sun moon and mercury and I would like to make a few comments about your feelings.
I share some of your experiences such as the battle between good and evil, the misunderstanding from others and difficulties to find words to how I feel or what I see or experience. I think that this is something that is shared among people with prominent water element in their charts. It could also be, since I know many other people who share these feelings who do not have much of the water element in them, that we just live in a society nowadays that reflects alienation in general and that in this society, as in past societies (there’s nothing new under the sun : ), there is a group of souls or soul-mates if you will, that get some messages from the other realms which most people cannot process. I am not sure if that has to do with the elements we’re born with. It could be a mix of soul level and elements.

Now, I would like to make some comments about your note that “we are one of the most sensitive signs there are and no one is willing to stick around long enough to find that out”.
I happened to have a lot of experience with Scorpio people (that begins with my mother and goes all the way through so many people including a recent romantic encounter). First, I find that people born under the sing of Scorpio are indeed very deep and intuitive – hence the sensitivity. However, there is a tendency to focus too much on themselves and their own feelings, their own points of view, the battle of me versus the other. You guys have ever right to feel what you feel but you need to remember that in this world there are other beings too with other feelings and other thoughts that will not necessarily support you own. This, I believe, is a major key to growth. If you can realize that other people are also sensitive in their own way and learn to accept the experiences instead of fighting the constant battle, you’ll see that people to stick around and for a long long time. The question is – is that what you want? do you want people to stick around?
Also, there is a tendency for Scorpios to blame anything and anyone (people, circumstances, feelings etc.) for their conditions in life. I think that’s a second major key. I feel that there’s a great need to look at the truth and to broaden the viewpoint to be able to be sensitive towards others as well. When you go beyond yourself you can see that the situation is not always a war scenario but just an opportunity to negotiate and bridge differences in order to learn from other, teach them and grow together.

–ME

15 Genevieve { 12.18.09 at 1:08 pm }

Spoken like a true universal Pisces! And now we have Uranus in Pisces to awaken us to this truth and the Global Warming Conference which HAS awakened greater unity of consciousness in the masses, including the youth of the world who are streaming out everywhere now with their energy and love. This Conference did set your point of view, Anon, into a greater collective movement. When Neptune finally moves into Pisces we will see it really move into a global level of awareness and reality.

16 Anon { 12.20.09 at 4:41 pm }

Genevieve,

Just a quick note to say that I really love your website. It’s very unique. Thank you for having such an open mind and a very positive attitude in the midst of the storm that most of us are going through.

17 Ann { 12.30.09 at 12:37 am }

Greeks believed its character to be a combination of the planets Mars and Jupiter; warlike, impulsive, and potentially dangerous. They felt that anyone born with this star prominent in their birth map would achieve great honor through violence, yet if the star was combined with the Moon, they would find favor in business and domestic matters, and also show an interest in philosophy.–

A Scorpio must be paired with a moon child! I am a crab and my partner is a scorpio.

18 John { 02.14.10 at 6:27 pm }

Thank you for both your insights and compiled stories.
-John
(Sun, Pluto, Mercury, Venus in Scorpio, with Scorpio Ascendent.)

19 scorp { 04.02.10 at 6:51 am }

Great article, totally feeling it. ;) oh how I love to dwelve into that cave picture lol. /scorpio gal

20 Daniel { 10.14.10 at 12:40 am }

“And, of course, now astronomers (well, a few!) have demoted Pluto from planetary status to some sub-group. Does this mean that our planetary consciousness no longer has struggles with money, sex, power, and death? Hmmm…. Or is this called major denial by the plutocracy?”

It is not denial. Science is simply a different discipline with its own rules. It seeks to discover naturalistic causes to physical phenomenon, and then verify them through logic and repeated tests. It is not interested in mysticism.

Why do they deny the mysticism? The same reason an atheist denies God. They don’t see any reason to believe in its existence and benefit to humanity. Scientists are not evil patriarchs. They just see differently.

21 Genevieve { 10.16.10 at 2:03 pm }

Well said, Daniel. I will watch myself more carefully in what I say about other approaches to ‘reality’.

22 Daniel { 10.17.10 at 9:16 pm }

No hard feelings. Your articles are superb. Keep it up.

23 Ganesh { 10.27.11 at 4:00 pm }

Well, This is my first comment that I have submitted online. Really appreciate your analysis of Scorpio sign. But, sorry for updating it after an year. Whatsoever, you just explained about the chakra opening fortunes in scorpio. I am also accepting the same but do you feel they have their own power to open it. No, I am going to tell you few more secrets about the scorpio. You know why? I am a scorpion…(Lol). You know scorpions are sensitive people, they will detach the things like money or whatever in their life either by enjoying or by suffering. The truth is the more often they understand the things when they suffered from it. Intuition and some magical communications is a bit extra to them than any other astrological signs. I saw few of the scorpio persons here updated the comment. Just ask them to give the presentation about any particular topic, they will be able to handle. Whenever they are preparing for something they will recieve some cosmic communications like you can recieve calls only when you are in the network coverage area. Yes, their home is the universe. When you go for intuitition, I place scorpio under INTJ line as per Myers Briggs Type indicators. Simply called them as Masterminds. If you want to know more about the type indicators you can go for Myers Brigss type indicator theory and David Kiersey theory. OK. Here INTJ is I – Introverted, N- iNtuition, T- Thinking, J- Judging. Please refer this type to know more about scorpio characteristics. Again, Magical communication is nothing but scorpio deals both life and death. They are the one who can communicate with the holy spirits as well as the underworld. One last information, never mess up with scorpios, their reaction at the moment is very illusive but they started to revenge, you can just type the end result before the war begins………”Target Destroyed”. And all of you in this discussion forum, I mean if you are a scorpio man or women…Please use black kerchiefts or prefer black clothes when you go for a party or meeting or any thing you want to perform in the front of the big crowd. This is because….you know the black body absorbs light or heat radiations than any other colours. So you will be protected from bad thoughts and radiations. Black gives you a beauty, charms, attract and it is the only one natural colour you can see it in the form of shadows and darkness. Remember! Tell me the particle moves equal to the speed of light? Shadows……….Good luck to you all.

24 Genevieve { 10.27.11 at 4:15 pm }

Thank you for all of your wisdom and added insights, Ganesh. Much appreciated. What part of the world are you from? Ganesh is one of my favorite deities!

25 Ganesh { 10.28.11 at 7:48 am }

The nation which is having a lot of mysteries and the one created zero (neither a positive nor negative) in mathematics. The one is called as sub continent with different religions, cultures, languages, races etc., The one which had given the person who addressed the american citizens as ‘Brothers and Sisters of America’ in the religious conference held in chicago. The one always guide every man to aware of his spiritual consciousness. yes….My country…..India…!!!!!!:-)

26 Genevieve { 10.28.11 at 10:10 am }

Well, with a name like Ganesh, where else could it be? But I’m glad you’ve responded and welcome all of your great comments. I’ve never been to your great land, but many of my friends have and loved it. Blessings to you and your good people!

27 Ganesh { 10.28.11 at 1:40 pm }

God bless you too..

One of my hobby is analysing something or try to make a connector line or thread between two impossible things. I am still research of mapping the characters/personality traits of astrological signs to the scientific way of defining human behaviours like this MBTI theory. Anyway, thank you so much for your appreiciation and the blessings….Keep rocking scorpios…God bless you all….

28 Adan { 11.30.11 at 7:43 pm }

Thank you for this information. I have been interested in human behavior for as long as I can remember and it drove me into astrology. I am froma culture where astrology is neither read nor believed in. So it was along time before I came across sign sign astrology and what it had to say about human behaviour. I got hooked immediately and read more and more, including “The Astrology File” by Gunter Sachs. I have even tried to apply the information to actual people, by simply trying to guess a stranger sign, taking everything into consideration at once: my intuition (which existed before I read any astrology), their physical features, voice, speech, gestures…basically everything that can be immediately applied. I was successful with some people, and in many cases, I would confuse signs of the same element with each other, like an Gemini for aquarius for instance. There’s so much mystery in astrology to tap into. Ganesh, I am happy to get in touch for a talk about this, on facebook, or email. What do you think?

One again, this is a great article.

29 Genevieve Vierling { 12.02.11 at 2:39 pm }

You are always welcome to e-mail me personally at bluelightlady.com, Adan. I do respond to all e-mails as best I can. Some people are really good at intuiting another’s Sun sign, and it sounds like you’ve had a modicum of success. Perhaps you are also sensing their Rising Sign, which is their persona. Sun sign and Ascendant can sometimes get confused with each other in certain types of people. I wish you much success with this mysterious and ever-fascinating tool, astrology!

30 Ganesh { 12.08.11 at 5:45 am }

It’s great to hear the comment of Adan. You said that you are from a culture where the people is not believing astrology. Let me explain you in this way. The evolution of mankind from the universe takes billions of years. When you see the cycle of human evolution, It is coming from Universe – Solar system – Sun – Planets – earth – human. So, We are in one another way related to universe, so we could clearly see that the moving or changing of any other position in the planets affects our life too. Because we are the living being evolved from the same source. Again, You can see some symmetric believes in astrology sign in both western and eastern cultures. For example, People in greek see some constellations in sky and believe that was a sign of scorpio which was same in eastern culture without any communication but intuition before hundreds of years. Most of the people believes intuition is under Psychic phenomena. It looks crazy. Just think of the age when no one speak any languages how did we survive. Our ancestors lived as a group of people in a particular area and they return to their caves after hunting. Just think for a moment, then you realize that the intuition is one of our habit by birth. We can talk more either by facebook or by email or over here. It is pleasure to learn swimming in the Astrology ocean. Thank you Adan and Genevieve! God bless you.

31 Genevieve { 12.08.11 at 1:53 pm }

Oh, this is great. I’m happy you two can connect; Adan & Ganesh. This is part of the great reward I get for hosting a blog. The more connections we make, the more we become one on this ‘sphere’ spinning in space.

32 aduatt { 05.25.12 at 11:01 am }

thanks 4 such great knowledge.i’m a scorp(nov 19) interested in occult and a palmist.i’ve somewhere heard about 9 spiritual fire of scorpio’s wisdom.Do u know about this?

33 Genevieve { 05.25.12 at 11:24 am }

Aduatt-
I personally don’t know about the 9 spiritual fires, but perhaps another reader will. I’d love to know about this as well.

34 Phillippe { 06.18.12 at 9:24 am }

Great article, I enjoyed it very much!
I don’t really know what Tantra is, but I am now going to research it!
I am a Scorpio Sun, and have many other planets under it as well. I have always been told by people how much of a Scorpio I am. I can’t lie, it boosts my ego. I believe we are the signs with the greatest potential in all of the zodiac.
To be honest, I have been smoking pot lately. I have always hated it because it makes me think differently of people I consider friends and even sometimes my relatives. Now though, I have overcome that. When I smoke (crazy as it may seem) I feel completly enlightened. But to a critical sense. I feel I can infiltrate the inner depths of others. I know what they are really about. I can see the inner emotions, pain, and happiness in everyone. It was scary before when I was younger expirimenting, but now I can channel it. The part about it that I see the most gain from smoking, is that I dive into my depths. I can begin to transform myself because I can finally see myself for what I really am. Yes I am a very vindictive, volatile, and violent Scorpio, but that is changing in a way that I am becoming more in tune with my emotions. I have begun to learn to channel them better. I’m not advocating smoking marijuana (I do feel like it is a bit of a childish act at times), but I guess resisting the rules and regulations of government and laws sometimes enlightens. At least for me.

It has been my experience that folks who have no vices have very few virtues.
-Abraham Lincoln

35 Scorpio >>> Phoenix { 07.30.12 at 9:41 am }

Thank you Genevieve, for explaining our sign in greater depth.
We, Scorpios represent perhaps the most complex sign which has a great spiritual potential. First we must know what are our weaknesses and pitfalls, then we must learn to discover that inner strength to overcome worldly temptations.
For example, we must resist the urge to take revenge, for evil is never overcame by evil, the latte ronly aggravates the first. It’s not easy, who says it is?! But true Scorpios will be able to face this challenge, as we’re unlikely to ever give up.
Very important- we should understand that marriage and relationships are about mutual respect, understanding, support and most basically – EQUALITY of two EQUAL human beings, no one has any right to dominate a loved one, this goes for sexuality too of course!!!! Our modern society went very permissive, allowing even the vilest of perversities : porn, prostitution, BDSM and other things. Not to mention a rampant sexism spread in every aspect of our culture ( Shallow, fake astrologers aren’t spared from it! ). As we Scorpios are inclined towards passionate love, we should strive to conquer lust, change it with LOVE, which includes soul, heart, mind and body. Sex is not an animal satisfaction of lustful urges, use someone for commodity, or as sex-slave, but a harmonious union between feminine and masculine.
Also, we should learn how to be compassionate towards others and be spiritual warriors. Winning and achieving goals is fine, but it depends HOW you win the battle. I think winning the INNER battle, conquering your negative side is the noblest victory.
I read that our Zodiac sign experiences 7 levels of spiritual development, very interesting : the lowest is the spider- symbolising our negative traits, then comes the scorpion, then- lizard, then- snake, > wolf> eagle- still having a sting, but already striving for a better self, and the purest of them all PHOENIX, destroying all impurity, burning them into ashes, and flying away to Heaven.
You know, I would compare our path to Kenosis- a Christian term meaning a long and difficult process of ‘self-emptying’ of one’s own will and becoming entirely receptive to God’s divine will. Our path is hard, but we enjoy it. We have an intuition which gives us an innate ability to determine who we are, what we should do, what’s wrong/right… And certainly – fight a fierce battle for spiritual betterment. :)

36 Genevieve { 09.20.12 at 2:12 pm }

This amazing comment should have been in my most recent article discussing Saturn in Scorpio and the work it entails. Thank you ‘Scorpio-Phoenix’ for sharing so eloquently. It’s always better when it comes from someone who has experienced it—-a true Scorpio!

37 sting130u { 10.18.12 at 11:02 am }

Thanks for this great article. I am scorpio eagle, Oct 30th, and just finding out who I am. I thought this was all ridiculous until recently, and I’m almost 27. My experience is very long and detailed, maybe when I’m on something more reliable I will write it all out. I am accelerating very quickly towards Phoenix scorpio subconsciously and it’s being brought out consciously because odd this new found knowledge. Thank you for contributing!

38 Genevieve { 10.18.12 at 2:50 pm }

Thanks for sharing Sting. Good name, by the way, for a Scorpio! Now with Saturn in Scorpio a new found solidification of who you are can be determined. I wish you fulfillment towards reaching the Phoenix manifestation!

39 sting130u { 10.18.12 at 10:50 pm }

Coincidentally enough, I’ve had this name since internet first came to this area, I was maybe twelve. My favorite wrestler was sting, growing up my mom would buy me eagle artifacts, and still I find myself surrounded by eagles.

The fellow who mentioned the mbti Meyer Briggs, I took one the other day and was INTJ so he/she was dead on with that one. The description of me was accurate, mostly, but mentioned I was often late and not punctual, but I have reason.

Your time is not the same as my time. Being there when someone expects me plays my rebellious side. I’m the one needed, so you can wait. However, if I say I will be there at a certain time, I am on time, because I said it.

Any deadline, I’ll meet. Project due in three weeks, I’ll do it last minute. If I do it earlier, I’ll lose it or something else (dog ate it)…

I am curious about the rising and scorpio in planet our moon. I don’t understand that, if someone could educate me to that in a simple dummy way that’d be great. Thanks

October 30 1985 528pm cst I was born with a smile :)

40 sting130u { 10.19.12 at 3:39 pm }

I guess I figured it out, disregard

41 Genevieve { 10.19.12 at 4:07 pm }

OK Sting. I assume you’re referring to Rising sign? Scorpio Moon? I’ll just briefly address this for any other readers. The Rising sign is how you approach life basically; how you start out with anything new. The Moon is an enormous symbol of vast proportions; past conditioning, parenting, hypnogogic downloading in infancy, what you need, your unconscious, etc. etc. Moon in Scorpio is obviously going to be complicated!

42 sting130u { 10.20.12 at 12:04 am }

Rising is Taurus, moon is Gemini, per alabe charts

43 rifa.nov.4 { 02.26.13 at 11:57 pm }

Am a true scorpio b0rn n0v 4th. Its such a true thing that u hv writen abt us . I m0st l0ve phoenix . And scorpion.

44 mary { 03.28.13 at 6:33 am }

Antares (heart of scorpion) is at 16 Scorpio SIDEREALLY. Tropically this star is at 10 Saggitarious. So all those using Western/tropical positions, should take their planets and points around 10 Saggitarious when relating to these ‘heart of scorpion’ themes.

45 Paul { 11.21.13 at 7:43 pm }

What an interesting read…

As far as Scorpio in my chart: I have Neptune in the 8th house; Uranus in Scorpio, and my 7th house is in Scorpio. I don’t know the extent of those influences though…

46 Genevieve Vierling { 11.28.13 at 9:47 am }

Paul – You get in touch with your own Scorpio energies by relating with others. They are your mirror. Neptune in the 8th can move into deep mysticism once you have learned about the illusions of some types of sex, money, and power issues. It all depends on your choices of involvement and learning to read character and perceive who has integrity and who doesn’t. Once you’ve mastered that realm you can really soar!

47 christos { 01.17.14 at 4:33 pm }

Hey, Ganesh, text me for my Facebook information. INFP

48 christos { 01.17.14 at 4:34 pm }

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49 Ganesh { 04.17.14 at 7:59 pm }

Hey Christos,

Sorry for the delay, I dont have a time to see your forum. Anyways, May i know what can i do for you? let me know your full name so that we can share our opinions/views there.

Thanks

50 crepiscule { 06.09.14 at 6:13 pm }

Hey G. Okay I’ve always been attracted/fascinated with astrology KNOwing it was not all BS and coincidence, because there wqas definately no way in HELL that sop many different sources and interpretations could without fail…..EVERYtime, be SPOT on re the traits, etc. Now that I’m older and able to just google anything aBOUT scorpio, I’m even amazed to a point of , yes, hair-raising status (cos of the eeriness) but sometimes to a point where where I’m a bit freaked out (and not in a cool way). Okay so beCAUSE I know myself and I’m fast heading towards causing you to not fully get exactly HOW I mean what I’m saying, through me using wrong word choices, I’m leaving you with details of my birth, and planets/stars hjen I was born. I mean, all my life I’ve had the strangest/weirdest/coolest strangers (all over the world) approach me not only cos they felt what they did, but because (and this I quote no less than 20 of them, throughout my life, saying the same thing, sometimes worded almost exACTLY the same), they KNEW they had to come over, and meet me cos they did not think they’d have this type of thing happen again. What did they mean?……apparently?well they’d basically tap me on my shoulder, or run up to me, or shout out to me, calling me over and long story short, say that, I AM Scorpio. The blueprint. WORST case scenario. The good and the bad. That Scorpio of Astrology “Horror stories”…..& you know what? I did not doubt their words, nor find it funny or cool. Cos GEEZ I’ve had a Scorpio Legendary life man. Everyday is almost too much, cos of how deeply I feel EVERThiNg. I HAVE to overcome my Jealousy and vengefulness. I don’t allow myself to fall in love anymore, cos the type of jealousy I have in me, is dangerous and is the kind that easily go rotten. Dammit but I have in me the ability to love like no one else. I HATE attention, but all my life I attract attention like you wouldn’t believe. I Stick out like a freak. Look don’t get me wrong, a big part of me loves who I am, and the strangeness of me, but these traits are intense on the highest level and and not even me being in an artistic career at its highest form, is a channel. I have things to stay that would sound fictional to ppl who don’t know Scorpio men, Well. So ask and I’ll tell all. I was born on the 10th November 1977 on a Thursday, not hundred percent sure bout timem will ask mom. These are aparently yhe planets at my birth if it helps at all. Sun 227°28’45.1890 0° 0′ 0.2471
Moon 209°34′ 4.6221 1°18’47.2652
Mercury 240°25′ 3.4525 -1°33’27.3664
Venus 209°47’53.2030 1°27′ 1.5712
Mars 125°28′ 7.4909 1°44′ 8.7506
Jupiter 95°41′ 4.9712 -0°20’12.0977
Saturn 149°38’32.2505 1°13’37.4549
Uranus 222°26’49.1599 0°23’10.1596
Neptune 254°49’54.7954 1°25’31.7420
Pluto 195°21′ 2.2222 16°36’42.2488

51 Genevieve Vierling { 06.13.14 at 11:35 am }

Crepiscule—Thanks for sharing as a Scorpio man. Very enlightening! I quickly ran what is called a ‘Solar Chart’ for you because you do not state where you were born (most important!). Yes, you are a decidedly strong Scorpio with Venus/Moon/Uranus/Sun all clustered together in that sign. No wonder you are like a high-voltage magnet for many. You also have a lot of Fire to off-set the water and that makes for a dramatic and highly creative combination. Yes, keep channeling your intense and unusual energy into your creative drive. You are capable of a mythic life! Not to say that it’s a walk in the park however.

52 ThePaganSun { 07.08.14 at 7:28 am }

So Scorpio gets two parts and the other signs get one? Yeah, that’s fair. If that’s not bias, I don’t know what is! : /

53 Genevieve Vierling { 07.10.14 at 3:43 pm }

Guess you didn’t read Sagittarius and Aquarius who also got two parts. No bias implied since I’m not any of those signs. :)

54 Paul { 07.11.14 at 11:17 am }

Speaking of multiple parts to articles, Where is the part III of Cancer?

55 ThePaganSun { 07.15.14 at 1:17 pm }

No, I read them and also thought it was pretty unfair. And people can be “biased” without being those signs since they can still be favorable to them. : /

56 Genevieve Vierling { 07.16.14 at 10:59 am }

Oh my! You’re not easy to ‘please’, but that’s OK :) The length of these articles really had nothing to do with ‘bias’; for some I had more time on my hands. Writing a blog is rather serendipity according to time and circumstance I have found. Even the sign of Cancer got two articles with one more promised that I never fulfilled I see. Quite frankly, I am basically a practitioner and my private practice dictates how much or little time I have left for blogging.

57 Genevieve Vierling { 07.16.14 at 11:02 am }

Sorry Paul! Time moved on and I never got back to it. Perhaps I”ll get caught up one of these days. :)

58 Paul { 07.21.14 at 9:17 pm }

lookin’ fwrd to it.
be good to yourself, ma’am :-)

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